1 audio recording, 2:21:42 in length. An interview log with time stamps has been created, but the recording has not been transcribed. 0:00 Disclaimer / Introductory Statements. 2:35 Review Gary’s childhood. 4:08 Speaking about Gary’s father and what his business was while Gary was growing up. 6:36 How would you describe your family’s class status? 8:10 Gary’s story of his blindness. 11:18 The cause of Gary’s blindness. 12:06 Gary’s experiences in public school. 13:24 Recognizing the difference between braille and print. 14:51 Getting better at reading and being able to understand topics in those books. Gary was able to speak to his mother now about these topics. 15:45 Gary was able to learn the shapes of the alphabet letters when he graduated high school. He used a device called an opticon. 18:10 Did your family encourage you to use brail growing up? 19:40 Slate and Stylus use and the Perkins Braillewriter. 21:02 Did you make friends with sighted kids? 22:35 Did you feel being in a one room school house inhibited your learning during primary grades? 23:21 Are you a confident braille reader now? 24:11 Reading braille and listening to accelerated speeches. 25:33 Gary speaking to his parents about going to a school for the blind and his expectations and experiences he had. 31:22 Necessary but painful things learned at the school for the blind. 34:12 Segregation and White Superiority. 37:08 Gary Wunder’s name. 39:00 After two years at the school, why did you want to go home? 40:10 Was the school mostly blind or did it have other disabled children as well? 41:10 Dual systems in school districts; how did they come about? 42:27 What skills did you learn at the school for the blind? 43:24 When Gary first got a cane and how much of a difference it made in his life. 45:00 Using a long cane. 46:51 Do you still use echolocation? 48:00 Hauling hay onto a truck without using the cane. Gary knew where the truck was from the sound of the truck. 49:48 When you returned from school who did you live with? 52:15 Not enough access to braille in high school. 54:00 Who read to you before you got braille? 58:08 Gary’s college years. 1:06:53 Gary’s first jobs out of college. 1:11:10 University of Missouri job. 1:13:40 Were there any alternative techniques or apparatus you improvised with or used? 1:16:13 Tandem bikes. 1:20:40 Reading schematics. 1:21:48 How old were you when you became a ham operator? 1:22:00 When you switched to programming were you disappointed that you would not be working with electronics for a living? 1:22:47 Did you remain an electronics copyist? 1:24:25 Other avocational interests. 1:24:53 Have you traveled much? 1:25:47 Do you think programming is a particularly attractive career for the blind? 1:27:40 Computers. 1:31:12 Do you ever regret staying with one employer for such a long time? 1:32:47 Gary’s family. 1:37:40 Gary and the NFB. 1:44:12 Summer job before college. 1:46:19 When did you become a leader in the National affiliate? 1:51:54 Gary and Kenneth Jernigan. 1:55:51 Did Kenneth Jernigan have any specific influence on you other than telling you it would be a good idea to be on the board and pushing you into National leadership? Major life decisions? 2:03:22 Do you see any significant changes in the NFB over the last thirty something years? (The character/membership). 2:08:30 Gary’s father and his thoughts about him being a musician. 2:16:00 Gary having to do better in the sighted world (having to do better than sighted people). 2:18:56 Gary’s concluding thoughts.